{"id":241,"date":"2026-05-20T08:35:57","date_gmt":"2026-05-20T08:35:57","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/hometransferguide.com\/?p=241"},"modified":"2026-05-20T08:35:57","modified_gmt":"2026-05-20T08:35:57","slug":"nyt-mag-critics-fire-back-with-insufferable-smugness-after-internet-trashes-their-greatest-songwriters-list","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hometransferguide.com\/?p=241","title":{"rendered":"NYT Mag Critics Fire Back With Insufferable Smugness After Internet Trashes Their \u2018Greatest Songwriters\u2019 List"},"content":{"rendered":"<div>\n<div><!-- \/10519169\/dailycaller_incontent_1 --> <\/p>\n<p><span>When The New York Times Magazine (NYT) put out a list of \u201cThe 30 Greatest Living American Songwriters\u201d in April, they were met with swift backlash.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Read more <a href=\"https:\/\/hometransferguide.com\/?p=239\">US Official Denies Iran\u2019s Claim That Oil Sanctions Are Being Lifted<\/a><\/p>\n<p><span>Some online <\/span><span>commenters<\/span><span> took issue with the omission of names like Billy Joel, Tom Waits, Trent Reznor, and Jason Isbell. Others took issue with the <\/span><span>inclusion<\/span><span> of Bad Bunny and Young Thug.\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>\u201c<\/span><span>Hahaha. This is ridiculous. Who are some of these people?\u00a0 Makes no sense. Where\u2019s Billy Joel, Jeff Tweedy, Jason Isbell, Steve Earle, James Taylor, Jackson [Browne], David Byrne\u2026. Young Thug?!? What a joke. Dude has a couple (great!) songs. Mariah [Carey] is a songwriter? She doesn\u2019t wake up everyday and write. Also, to make a list like this and just put Bob Dylan on it someplace is silly. There is Dylan, a long, long gap, and everyone else,\u201d reads a comment from a reader that accompanies 6,000 other comments. The comment received 1,500 recommendations from other readers.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>Dylan\u2019s \u201cAll Along the Watchtower\u201d opens with these lines:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><span>\u201cThere must be some way out of here,\u201d said the joker to the thief<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>\u201cThere\u2019s too much confusion, I can\u2019t get no relief<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>Businessmen, they drink my wine, plowmen dig my earth<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>None of them along the line know what any of it is worth\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><span>Bad Bunny\u2019s \u201cTit\u00ed Me Pregunt\u00f3\u201d opens with these lines (in translation from Spanish):<\/span><\/p>\n<p><!-- \/10519169\/dailycaller_incontent_2 --> <\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><span>Hey, auntie asked me if I have a lot of girlfriends, a lot of girlfriends<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>Today I have one, tomorrow I\u2019ll have another, hey, but there\u2019s no wedding<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>Auntie asked me if I have a lot of girlfriends, heh, a lot of girlfriends<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>Today I have one, tomorrow I\u2019ll have another<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><span>I\u2019ll leave it to you to determine the merits of either song.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>The NYT Magazine critics who made the list put out a podcast <\/span><span>episode<\/span><span> May 7 in response. <\/span><b>(RELATED: Luther Vandross, Phil Collins, Wu-Tang Clan Lead The Honors As 2026 Rock &amp; Roll Hall Of Fame Inductees Announced)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"315\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/Hc1ARmtVwFg?si=GxM9ltTdS2xqYFsV\" width=\"560\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><!-- \/10519169\/dailycaller_incontent_3 --> <\/p>\n<p><span>\u201cYou know how lists are. No matter what, they will cause a scandal,\u201d said Wesley Morris, host of \u201cCannonball with Wesley Morris.\u201d Morris spoke with some of the project\u2019s participants about their decision-making process.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>\u201cIt went out into the world. Y\u2019all had feelings. About 6,000 comments have come in so far, mostly asking, \u2018How could you possibly leave out so-and-so?\u2019 Well, look, I mean, we only had 30 slots to play with. But, you know, we also made those choices for a reason. So, I\u2019m inviting two of the folks who were in the room with me making those decisions, Jon <\/span>Caramanica <span>and Joe <\/span>Coscarelli<span>, the host of the podcast, and the editor of the project, Sasha Weiss, friend of the show, to talk about the impossible task we faced.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>Morris, <\/span>Caramanica, Coscarelli<span>, and Weiss addressed readers\u2019 and fans\u2019 displeasure with their list.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>\u201cI feel like everybody in that room was willing to think expansively about what songwriting is, and songwriting is such a peculiar thing. It has so much baggage. It comes with attachment to certain communities, certain subgenres. Um, and, engaged fans, which I know we\u2019ll talk about later, who have an extremely fixed idea of what constitutes songcraft,\u201d said <\/span>Caramanica.<\/p>\n<p><span>\u201cAnd what do you think that idea is?\u201d asked Weiss.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>\u201cI think it\u2019s a heroic white man with a guitar struggling through his emotions, sitting in a room, no collaborators, no contact with the outside world, perhaps alcohol, perhaps drugs, accessing some kind of pure emotional truth and putting it in a rock, country, or otherwise roots-affiliated genre.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Caramanica<span> explained: \u201cAs much as I enjoy some of that music, I do not mistake it for the totality of American song. I do not mistake that for the best examples of songcraft.\u201d <\/span><b>(RELATED: Boomers Were Right About Music All Along)<\/b><\/p>\n<p>Read more <a href=\"https:\/\/hometransferguide.com\/?p=237\">Mark Cuban Working With President Trump To \u2018Reduce Stress Of American People\u2019 After Previously Campaigning Against Him<\/a><\/p>\n<p><span>Anything but heroic white men!<\/span><\/p>\n<p>During the podcast, Coscarelli noted: \u201cI love that [Young] Thug is on this list. I would have put \u2026 Just personal biases. If it\u2019s my list, I put 5 or 10 Southern rappers on the list.\u201d One wonders which songwriters he would have removed to make room for those rappers.<\/p>\n<p>The critics devoted a section of the podcast to discussing Joel, and why he did not make the list. Caramanica began by reading a comment from a NYT Magazine reader.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI went to Berklee College of Music \u2026 and there was an entire songwriting curriculum on Billy Joel\u2019s songwriting. It\u2019s literally stupid he\u2019s not on this list,\u201d Caramanica read, laughing.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt\u2019s like not having Hendrix or Eddie Van Halen on a list of greatest guitarists,\u201d the comment concluded. Caramanica then flung the paper on which the comment was printed behind him.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cOkay. It\u2019s not,\u201d Caramanica chortled. Caramanica clarified that Joel is a \u201cvery good example of a person who writes one or two or one and a half kinds of songs really well, that also people before him wrote really well, and people after him wrote really well.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI like Billy Joel. I just want to go on the record and say I like Billy Joel \u2026 But, if we are making a list of 30 greatest living American songwriters, you\u2019re not only saying what are they great, you\u2019re saying, what aren\u2019t they doing?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Caramanica added that Joel \u201cexists in pre-existing traditions. He\u2019s good at it. Some days, I think great, but you \u2026 gotta draw the line somewhere.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><span>As YouTuber and musician Rick Beato <\/span><span>pointed<\/span><span> out, most of the NYT Magazine critics are \u201cIvy League people.\u201d <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>\u201cNot that there\u2019s anything wrong with that,\u201d he continued, \u201cbut I don\u2019t see any music degrees in here from these music critics. Not that you need to have a degree in music to be a music critic, but maybe it would help a little bit if you\u2019re talking about, I don\u2019t know, melody, rhythm, song structure. Maybe it\u2019d be helpful if you\u2019re talking about production, know something about music. A lot of these people, as you can see, have their degrees in literature and American studies.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>Beato slammed the critics as \u201cthe most pretentious, cork sniffing, smug people that are all music critics with no background in music. Exactly what you would expect from a New York Times music critic.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Read more <a href=\"https:\/\/hometransferguide.com\/?p=235\">ROOKE: Amid Race Everyone\u2019s Watching, Big Tech \u2018Malfunction\u2019 Sparks Criticism For Election Interference<\/a><\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The New York Times Magazine received backlash for their list of &#8220;The 30 Greatest Living American Songwriters.&#8221; NYT Mag critics fired back in a podcast episode.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":240,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[487,488,489,490,491],"class_list":["post-241","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-interesting","tag-bad-bunny","tag-bob-dylan","tag-music","tag-songwriter","tag-the-new-york-times-magazine"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.6 - 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